Outstanding speech by Rob Anders in The Canadian
House of Commons
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005
House of Commons Hansard - April 5, 2005
Mr. Rob Anders (Calgary West, CPC): Mr. Speaker, what is ungrateful with regard
to the amendment proposed by the Conservative Party on marriage
is that I have been reading through a lot of what I think are seminal works on
this subject. I know that some of my colleagues in this place have quoted
philosophers. I know one of them relied on John Stuart Mill and took his great
treatise On Liberty to go ahead and talk about freedoms. I want to quickly touch
on this philosopher in particular because I think he is sometimes being used and
abused by some of my colleagues in this place. With regard to marriage, John
Stuart Mill said:
"A person is bound to take all these circumstances into account, before
resolving on a step which may affect such important interests of others; and if
he does not allow proper weight to those interests, he is morally responsible
for the wrong." What Mill is saying is that we have to take into account the
interests of children in this debate because they are third parties that are
called into existence by marriage. Mill goes on to say, "liberty is often
granted where it should be
withheld", even though his treatise is called On Liberty. He adds:
"- but he ought not to be free to do as he likes in acting for another under the
pretext that the affairs of another are his own affairs. The State, while it
respects the liberty of each in what specially regards himself, is bound to
maintain a vigilant control over his exercise of any power which it allows him
to possess over others."
In other words, family relations have a direct influence on human happiness,
more important than all others taken together. Mill adds:
"- forbid marriage unless the parties can show that they have the means of
supporting a family, do not exceed the legitimate powers of the State
... not objectionable as violations of liberty." What he is basically saying is
that we can prohibit a mischievous act if it is injurious to others and that
such an act should be subject to reprobation and social stigma. He talks about
putting "restraints upon the inclinations when the consequence of their
indulgence is a life or lives of wretchedness and depravity to the offspring,
with manifold evils to those sufficiently within reach to be in any way affected
by their actions".
I wanted it to be clearly understood that John Stuart Mill would never have
advocated for civil unions. He would have adamantly opposed them
and I think I have given the reasons. I will now switch from talking about
philosophers to talking about history. Luckily, we have 60 centuries, 6,000
years of written human history to which we can refer when we talk about the
issue of marriage.I think they shed great light. H.W.F. Saggs, in his book The
Babylonians, records that in the third millennium B.C. sacred marriage involved
a ritual bath, love songs, magnificent ceremonial robes, gifts including outer
garments of linen,
and feast celebrations. It is interesting how we see some of those same things
today nearly 5,000 years later.
Arnold Toynbee wrote a seminal work on history called A Study of History. Book
five of that is entitled "Disintegration of Civilization" or what he also refers
to as the "Schism in the Soul".He recognizes that as societies begin to
disintegrate we lose our sense of self-control and our sense of discipline, and
that in order to be a
leader in such times people must go beyond the demands of duty. They must
fortify morale, secure safety and give strength. It requires them
to step forward to inspire, to vindicate ideals and to enoble their
civilizations. To do that people need to respect traditions, religious beliefs
and rituals. They need to stand for what is universal and eternal, to do what is
good. They must be servants with conscience and ability to have their
civilization realize its highest potentialities. Edward Gibbon goes on in his
work, the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, to cite several things that made
for the decline of the Roman
Empire. One of those, the first that he cites, was the immorality that destroyed
the integrity of family life.
It is important to note that before the Punic Wars against Carthage, polygamy
was unknown among Romans, Athenians and the Jews, but in the later stages of the
empire, a loose marriage contract made religious and civil rights nonessential.
In three centuries of prosperity and corruption, this principle was enlarged to
frequent practice and pernicious abuse. Passion, interest or caprice suggested
daily motives for the dissolution of marriage, a word, a sign, a message, a
letter, even the mandate of a freed man, declared the separation of a marriage.
It no longer had any bearing. The second thing that Gibbon talks about is gender
confusion and the problems that had in the Roman Empire. The third is disregard
for
religion. I think we can see some parallels today. I would like to go further
into the details of the Roman Empire because there were some people who
understood its fragility. Had these people not come about, the Roman Empire
would never have been the pax Romana of 800 years that we know today. Instead,
it would merely have been a flash in the pan. It would have died a quick death.
Julius Caesar in 59 BC offered rewards to Romans who had many children. He
forbade childless women to ride in litters or wear jewellery. It sounds pretty
stark in today's climate but, nonetheless, he understood the importance of
family. I would also like to talk about what would be my favourite Roman
emperor, Octavian, after the battle of Actium known as Augustus, and the Roman
Empire, had Augustus Caesar not been around in his roughly 50 year reign. The
Roman Empire had 200 years of peace and, in a sense, a continuation of its
golden age as a result of Augustus Caesar. I would like to read into the record
some of the things Augustus did. He interfered as little as possible in the
running of the constitution. He preferred to govern through his moral authority.
He inaugurated a
religious, moral and social reform of the Roman people. He rebuilt derelict
temples, restored neglected ceremonies and priesthoods. He revived the old state
religion with all its patriotic associations and he restored the sanctity of
marriage. Once again, Augustus Caesar, to elongate the Roman Empire, restored
the sanctity of marriage.
Those guilty of initiating divorce lost three-quarters of their propertyto their
spouse. They did not get 50%. A woman would be stripped of her wealth and
ornaments, and if the man introduced a new bride into his bed, his fortune would
be lawfully seized by the vengeance of the exiled wife. We should think about
that in terms of divorce rates. Offenders were even disabled from the repetition
of nuptials. In other words, if people had a divorce they could not get
remarried.
He stimulated the birth rate. He rewarded the parents of large families. As a
matter of fact, if parents had as many as five children under the Emperor
Augustus, they no longer paid any tax. One can imagine what not having to pay
tax would do for a Canadian family with five children.
Augustus was also a patron of poets. He encouraged those poets to devote their
talents to propagating ideals. Horace, therefore, preached religious and moral
reform. Ovid popularized religious revival. The system that Augustus established
endured with no essential change for three centuries. That is how successful it
was. Then we come to Marcus Aurelius. His writings are still available to us,
his own biography and his meditations. He was somebody who believed in being
faithful to the gods and the traditions of the ancestors. In his time, outwardly
Rome still stood, more resplendent and apparently more unshakeable than ever.
Inwardly, however, she was in a state of mental and spiritual flux. The old
order was losing its hold on men's minds and the new order was yet far off.
The old pattern of Roman civilization was showing signs of disintegration.
Internal corruptions were part of the problem. He was somebody who wanted to
show scrupulous respect because the state religion no longer had that and mere
lip service was paid on the part of the educated to religion. To the educated
man who no longer believed in the official religion, another recourse was
philosophy, but here, unfortunately, there were many winds of doctrine.
I would go on to talk about Diocletian, for I think I would wrap up with him,
but I have only a minute left. There are things we can learn from history. I
only wish that my colleagues across the way, rather than referring to modernity
and some of the modern philosophies, would instead refer to 6,000 years of
written human history and observe closely what ramifications changes to law have
had.
If they did that, if they read Toynbee, Durant and Gibbon, if they read some of
these people who were the saviours of those civilizations, they would understand
that this type of action undermines civilization and disintegrates it.